Sunday, December 18, 2005

Joseph Smith's First Vision

Last week I lent my nevermo, non-theist neighbors a copy of the Mr. Krueger's Christmas DVD--which just so happens to have the church's latest version of the Restoration film on it. I asked them to watch the Restoration and last night we chatted about it and compared the film to the contemporary accounts (or lack thereof) of the vision. I thought it was interesting to get their perspective on the film, especially in light of the conflicting versions of the vision.

Here's the link to the MP3 file (20Mb)


At 6:11 PM, Blogger cibnh said...

I just found your three podcasts last night and listened to them at work. I thought they were interesting. I am in the same boat pretty much as Steve, but I am stuck still attending church. Everyone there knows I do not beleive, but go for the family. I hope you keep going on the podcasts.

At 8:44 AM, Blogger japanguy said...

Thanks for you time in putting together these podcasts. They are great. I enjoy listening to people with open minds. I too am still attending but just because I am having a hard time with the changing my life long training. And I also attend an extremely small branch and the BP is currently short so I am holding out to quit until the shortage is made up which should be in a few months.
I would like to recommend that you do a podcast discussing how extended family deals with family members leaving the church.
Thanks again,
Japanguy from the foyer

p.s. Steve is a great name as I share the same name.

At 11:50 AM, Blogger Gunner said...

You still going to do more? Your podcasts are good. Don't stop.

At 10:34 AM, Blogger OdieBytes said...

Your podcasts are really great. I enjoy the conversations you have with each other.

Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into making your podcasts!

I enjoy listening to the conversation with 2 never-Mo's and yourself. It is interesting to hear their remarks. I think you 3 do a wonderful job!

Are there any more podcasts coming up? I sure hope so!

At 4:19 PM, Blogger Kim Siever said...

I enjoyed this episode. There are a couple of points on which I wanted to comment, however.

First, you make the claim that Joseph Smith never told anyone about the First Vision when he was a boy. You base this claim on the premise that no records exist of him doing so. Unfortunately, this does not prove that Joseph Smith never told anyone. All it proves is that no records exist of him telling anyone. I am not saying he did tell anyone, only that your premise does not support your claim.

Second, you commented that the 1932 account of the First Vision mentioned Jesus, but not God. The conclusion made then is that God was not present. Based on what I know of the account, there is no wording that specifically states that God was not present, or that Jesus was the only person there. Again, I am not stating that Jesus was not by himself, only that the conclusions being made are not necessarily accurate and are based on non-existent information.

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At 8:21 PM, Blogger Pamela Kerr said...

I really enjoyed the three podcasts. I am sorry to see there were no more than that. I am an agnostic myself (although I identify myself as a scientific skeptic).
I was raised in a non-religious family (neither of my parents are believers), yet we all were very active in the volunteer community (we all still are). We spent every Christmas eve giving turkeys to poor families in the city I grew up in.
My parents are the most honest and moral people I know. My mom retired early and volunteers almost full time to work with people with health problems. My dad feeds every animal in the neighbourhood, even if it destroys his precious garden.
Both my sister and I put ourselves through university and post-graduate school, and went into professions where we don't make a lot of money, but we feel are making a difference in the world.
We were brought up to believe in the 'Golden Rule' (which is not original to Christianity). And my parents taught by example.
I think the one big problem your neighbours (sorry for the spelling, I am Canadian), have consistently made, is the confusion between 'God' and 'religion'.
Anyone who has done any real research into any holy book, including the bible, knows that it is seriously flawed and they must suspend all common sense and rational thought if they are to believe it to be true. But the falsification of the bible doesn't mean a god doesn't exist. It does, perhaps, mean that the Biblical God is nonexistant. An adherant of another religion would tell you HER GOD is the ONLY ONE. (Every religion is SURE they are right - do you think the guys who flew into the WTC had any doubts?).
My point is, the problem isn't with GOD, it is with RELIGION. Religion has been used as a tool to control people for thousands of years. I don't have any trouble with anyone's belief in a god, but if someone has to interpret or tell you what this supernatural being needs you to know, then there is a problem. (Why doesn't anyone question why all those people went to hell who never heard the 'word' because they lived on another continent or even in another city JUST after Jesus died. Sound like a fair and just God to you?
Well, I have had more than my two cents. Please, record another discussion! I'll have my blog up soon.

At 7:56 AM, Blogger Ron said...

Sound full of digital squeaks, etc.
iTunes -> mp3 -> Rio.

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